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Post by New York Mets on Apr 14, 2021 12:05:11 GMT -6
Please ask any questions you might have about the rules. I'm more than happy to clarify what things mean and have a discussion if we want to change anything before we begin.
Regarding simulating, the new database will be sent out weekly on Monday and GMs will send in their exported manager profile (with lineups, rotations, depth charts) to the league. NetPlay will not be required at all. If two people want to NetPlay, then it will be allowed as long as it doesn't interrupt the simulation schedule, but it would be more the exception than the norm. NetPlaying the playoffs is fun, but also not required.
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Post by Los Angeles Angels on Apr 14, 2021 23:04:22 GMT -6
Regarding net play: would we be permitted to make in-game substitutions and pitching changes? Or would we stick to our GM come?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 9:34:14 GMT -6
My understanding we would have a set roster and starting pitcher and manage with those limits but I will defer to the Commissioner.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 15, 2021 12:32:58 GMT -6
If two people agree to NetPlay a game or series (rather than the typical process of the league simulating it using the manager profiles sent), they would still be limited to using their set active roster. However, they can adjust their starting pitcher or lineups, and control those typical in-game decisions--like running, stealing, substitutions, pitching changes, etc. Teams can choose the per pitch or per at-bat mode, but NetPlaying every pitch takes a loooong time.
Regarding who is eligible to be a SP, I tend to favor flexibility and would be open to allowing any pitcher to start. Openers have been a new trend in baseball, and the new version of Diamond Mind does address this aspect of pitcher fatigue. I've been in previous leagues that limited it only to those who have a SP stamina rating. I welcome any thoughts or discussion on these types of situation.
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Post by Los Angeles Angels on Apr 15, 2021 15:45:37 GMT -6
I like the idea of letting anyone pitch to start a game.
Btw, what are folks thinking of letting defensive players start out of position. E.g. letting a CF play RF or LF because the simulator doesn't penalize them on Range/Error?
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 15, 2021 19:43:00 GMT -6
I don't see an issue with a position player playing a position they don't have a projection for because Diamond Mind does somewhat address that. Theoretically, a CF in real-life should do well playing a corner OF position because they should have good range. I think there are enough trade-offs that makes it realistic while still allowing flexibility and creativity.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 17, 2021 16:39:55 GMT -6
What are people's thoughts on injuries with two-way players? For example, when Ohtani was out with Tommy John surgery but active in MLB as a hitter, should he be prevented from being used as a pitcher? Or if he's active in real-life, could he be used however the GM would like in the simulation? I've been in a league where there was a restriction. While I tend to favor flexibility and freedom (plus, ZiPS already kind of addressed it in his projection for that season), I just want to make sure we're all on the same page before the draft.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 6:39:08 GMT -6
Arbitration ??
So walk me through the arbitration process.
X is up for arbitration.
All teams place bids on player within arbitration range or just place a value on the contract within the range ??
If the later, then X'x existing team pays the new value of X's contract or he goes into the free agent pool ??
If the former, won't all opposing teams give X's contract maximum value ??
Thanks for the help.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 9:36:03 GMT -6
Potential new owner wants to know how head to head play will work in this league...
Thought I would ask you and then send your answer to him given the answer has several moving parts.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 9:47:48 GMT -6
Arbitration Packet.xls (673.5 KB) Arbitration ?? So walk me through the arbitration process. X is up for arbitration. All teams place bids on player within arbitration range or just place a value on the contract within the range ?? If the later, then X'x existing team pays the new value of X's contract or he goes into the free agent pool ?? If the former, won't all opposing teams give X's contract maximum value ?? Thanks for the help. The arbitration process isn't as complicated as that. I've attached an example of how it worked in the previous league I ran. Every offseason, an arbitration packet would be sent that shows all of the arbitration-eligible players for the coming season. The minimum figure that can be proposed is based on the player's salary the previous year in our league because a player can't earn less in arbitration. The maximum figure that can be proposed is based on the arbitration stage the player is entering. All GMs would be encouraged to participate in the process by proposing a salary for each arbitration-eligible player. The more GMs who participate, the more data points that we have for those arbitration figures. Regardless of whether how many GMs participate by proposing figures, the highest and lowest proposed figures for each player will be removed and the average of the remaining proposed figures will be used to determine the player's salary.
There will be a deadline after those arbitration salaries are proposed where a team can release the player without any financial penalty. Other teams would be able to claim those released players and assume their contract--the new arbitration salary and whatever future control still remains. If a player is released and unclaimed (for example, if no one liked the player at that contract), then they can be added to the free agency pool for that offseason with other available players that teams can bid on.
Does that make sense?
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 9:50:19 GMT -6
Potential new owner wants to know how head to head play will work in this league... Thought I would ask you and then send your answer to him given the answer has several moving parts. Regarding head-to-head play, two people that want to NetPlay their game or series against each other will be allowed to do so as long as it doesn't interrupt the simulation schedule. NetPlay won't be required, but it is fun and will be allowed if people want to and have the time to make it work. Most games would be simulated using the exported manager profiles that will be sent into the league every week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 10:31:55 GMT -6
"The arbitration process isn't as complicated as that. I've attached an example of how it worked in the previous league I ran. Every offseason, an arbitration packet would be sent that shows all of the arbitration-eligible players for the coming season. The minimum figure that can be proposed is based on the player's salary the previous year in our league because a player can't earn less in arbitration. The maximum figure that can be proposed is based on the arbitration stage the player is entering. All GMs would be encouraged to participate in the process by proposing a salary for each arbitration-eligible player. The more GMs who participate, the more data points that we have for those arbitration figures. Regardless of whether how many GMs participate by proposing figures, the highest and lowest proposed figures for each player will be removed and the average of the remaining proposed figures will be used to determine the player's salary.
There will be a deadline after those arbitration salaries are proposed where a team can release the player without any financial penalty. Other teams would be able to claim those released players and assume their contract--the new arbitration salary and whatever future control still remains. If a player is released and unclaimed (for example, if no one liked the player at that contract), then they can be added to the free agency pool for that offseason with other available players that teams can bid on.
Does that make sense?"
If multiple teams want the same player at the same arbitration price, which team wins the contract ??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 10:36:10 GMT -6
"Regarding simulating, the new database will be sent out weekly on Monday and GMs will send in their exported manager profile (with lineups, rotations, depth charts) to the league. NetPlay will not be required at all. If two people want to NetPlay, then it will be allowed as long as it doesn't interrupt the simulation schedule, but it would be more the exception than the norm. NetPlaying the playoffs is fun, but also not required."
So owners have the option of playing against an opponents MP without having to submit a MP, correct ??
MP= manager profile..
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 11:13:58 GMT -6
If multiple teams want the same player at the same arbitration price, which team wins the contract ?? If a player is released after the arbitration salaries are determined, they'll be treated like any player who is released. The team who makes the claim with the highest waiver priority (which will be reset at the end of the season based on that season's records) will win the player and they'll then fall down to the bottom of the waiver priority order.
We would also go by the timing of when the player closes. For example, if a team claims two players (one who was released at 5:41 PM and another who was released at 5:55 PM) and there are multiple teams who place claims on the player, a team could have the highest waiver priority after the 3-day claiming period on the player who was released at 5:41 PM so then they would be down at the bottom of the order for the player they claimed at 5:55 PM. Whether they claimed the player who was released at 5:55 PM first doesn't matter because the player who was released at 5:41 PM would close first.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 11:19:04 GMT -6
So owners have the option of playing against an opponents MP without having to submit a MP, correct ?? MP= manager profile.. GMs would only be able to NetPlay against another GM. They wouldn't be able to play their game against the computer managing the other team. GMs who agree to NetPlay a game or series would let the league know they plan to NetPlay and they would use their active roster in the simulation--but they can adjust their lineups/rotation with players on the active roster. The teams who NetPlay would then export those results and e-mail them to the league for them to be uploaded to the database. Otherwise, the game or series would be simulated using the manager profiles that are sent into the league e-mail. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 12:44:12 GMT -6
"GMs would only be able to NetPlay against another GM. They wouldn't be able to play their game against the computer managing the other team."
what is the reasoning for this...
Retired owners would have the time and the MP insures the opposing manager's strategy is followed....
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 13:22:52 GMT -6
"GMs would only be able to NetPlay against another GM. They wouldn't be able to play their game against the computer managing the other team." what is the reasoning for this... Retired owners would have the time and the MP insures the opposing manager's strategy is followed.... Both GMs would have to agree to allow that, but maybe like a trade-off of each playing one of their season series against the computer could work. In a league competing against other people, it would just leave room for manipulation. In my experience in leagues, there's been someone or multiple people who simulate the games that wouldn't be NetPlayed between two GMs. I'm definitely open to having a rotating cast of people who simulate the games--if people would be interested. I've also created a league Twitch account that can be used to livestream the games being simulated to show the process and ensure transparency. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 13:31:57 GMT -6
Well if the twitch account would show the process and ensure transparency, doesn't that eliminate the manipulation issue ??
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 13:47:48 GMT -6
Well if the twitch account would show the process and ensure transparency, doesn't that eliminate the manipulation issue ?? As long as both teams agree. The person streaming it on Twitch also has to have the software to be able to stream. Twitch is how it can be broadcast, but you also need to have a program to do the screen recording of your play. In my experience, I've used OBS Studio to do that. It took some work to figure it out, but it wasn't too complicated. Both teams would still need to agree though, regardless of whether the person doing it would need to stream it or not. If both teams work out an arrangement, that seems very reasonable. Some people might just prefer the game(s) to be simulated by the league if NetPlaying against each other can't be worked out. The one advantage in particular that a person might have playing against the computer would be more direct bullpen usage--for example, bringing in a specific pitcher rather than relying on DMB's somewhat inconsistent computer bullpen management (the same with pinch-hitting and computer depth chart management). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 14:17:41 GMT -6
I never thought about someone manipulating results when playing solo against a MP but that is something a Commissioner has to consider.
Seems like the manipulator is wasting his time and effort... just like someone who cheats on an exam, just denying themselves an education. Since I am not an IT guy, I hope alot of owners want to use Netplay... guess we will find out.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 18, 2021 14:56:57 GMT -6
For those who have NetPlayed before, how have you done it? I've only been able to get it work by using Hamachi to connect, but it hasn't worked for everyone because sometimes it won't connect even when you disable firewalls and everything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 15:47:27 GMT -6
Netplay usually works directly or with Hamachi or similar VPN devices.
Never had a problem with these options unless the internet was down, etc.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 21, 2021 21:24:05 GMT -6
Two questions I wanted to bring back around to see if anyone had feedback... Regarding who is eligible to be a SP, I tend to favor flexibility and would be open to allowing any pitcher to start. Openers have been a new trend in baseball, and the new version of Diamond Mind does address this aspect of pitcher fatigue. I've been in previous leagues that limited it only to those who have a SP stamina rating. I welcome any thoughts or discussion on these types of situation. What are people's thoughts on injuries with two-way players? For example, when Ohtani was out with Tommy John surgery but active in MLB as a hitter, should he be prevented from being used as a pitcher? Or if he's active in real-life, could he be used however the GM would like in the simulation? |
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Apr 21, 2021 23:35:26 GMT -6
I would say the 2 way player portion would be how is he used in real life. If Ohtani isn't pitching and is only acting as a DH it should reflect that in his usage.
For the pitching I am open to anyone being able to start. I think what will need to be limited then is midweek roster moves so we aren't seeing implementations of 25 man pitching staffs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2021 6:34:33 GMT -6
Regarding starting pitching, I would just suggest pticher fatigue is carried on throughout the season so a team does not have to face Sandy Koufax or Mariano Rivera in four straight games, etc.... I assume if someone is disabled, he is removed from the active roster.
If Ohtani is active, he should be active. His team should use him however they want to use him.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 22, 2021 19:16:22 GMT -6
Regarding starting pitching, I would just suggest pticher fatigue is carried on throughout the season so a team does not have to face Sandy Koufax or Mariano Rivera in four straight games, etc.... I assume if someone is disabled, he is removed from the active roster. I always read through the Help Topics in the Diamond Mind Baseball program because it reveals a lot about how things are handled. Included below is what they have on pitcher fatigue... |
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 22, 2021 19:17:54 GMT -6
For the pitching I am open to anyone being able to start. I think what will need to be limited then is midweek roster moves so we aren't seeing implementations of 25 man pitching staffs. Since there's now a 26-man roster, I think just one mid-week roster change is reasonable, which would resolve that extended bullpen manipulation. |
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Post by Los Angeles Angels on Apr 26, 2021 9:29:10 GMT -6
E. Player EligibilityOfficial transactions from MLB.com are used for to determine weekly player eligibility. A player on a rehab assignment would not be eligible—we would go be the official transactions. When a player is placed on the Disabled List during the MLB season, they are also ineligible during that time in the simulation. Real-life injury status as of the end of the week on Sunday night will be used to determine player eligibility for that coming week’s simulation. When a player is not active with an MLB franchise (or their minor league affiliate), they are not eligible to be active in the simulation. A player who is unsigned wouldn't be eligible in the simulation until they are active playing with an MLB franchise. A player who retires or signs overseas will have their contract voided. After the draft is complete and we start playing our season, will we be beginning with Apr 1, 2021 and evaluating eligibility on a weekly basis according to past MLB player injuries/status during the same timeframe? I'm mostly interested in how to best take injuries from the 2021 season to date into account during the draft. |
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Post by Los Angeles Angels on Apr 26, 2021 9:31:51 GMT -6
If Ohtani is active, he should be active. His team should use him however they want to use him. I agree about Ohtani, though it's unfortunate that the Zips projection for 2021 doesn't rate him as a pitcher. There's always next year! |
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 26, 2021 9:56:42 GMT -6
E. Player EligibilityOfficial transactions from MLB.com are used for to determine weekly player eligibility. A player on a rehab assignment would not be eligible—we would go be the official transactions. When a player is placed on the Disabled List during the MLB season, they are also ineligible during that time in the simulation. Real-life injury status as of the end of the week on Sunday night will be used to determine player eligibility for that coming week’s simulation. When a player is not active with an MLB franchise (or their minor league affiliate), they are not eligible to be active in the simulation. A player who is unsigned wouldn't be eligible in the simulation until they are active playing with an MLB franchise. A player who retires or signs overseas will have their contract voided. After the draft is complete and we start playing our season, will we be beginning with Apr 1, 2021 and evaluating eligibility on a weekly basis according to past MLB player injuries/status during the same timeframe? I'm mostly interested in how to best take injuries from the 2021 season to date into account during the draft. Correct, we start with injuries from the beginning and go weekly. Players would not suddenly become active/inactive mid-week in the simulation. Whatever their official real-life status would be at the end of Sunday would determine their eligibility in the simulation week starting on Monday. |
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