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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 13:09:31 GMT -6
I scoured the internet looking for ideas MLB could adopt to eliminate/control tanking and found two ideas I think would make our own league a better league.
THE GOLD PLAN ( AMATEUR DRAFT ) The idea goes like this: Instead of a system that encourages losing by awarding the best amateur picks to the league’s worst teams, you’d determine the draft order based on the number of wins each team earned after being eliminated from the playoffs. Once you’re mathematically out of the playoff hunt, you start the clock on banking wins towards your spot in the draft order. The team with the most post-elimination wins get the top pick, and so on down through the rest of the non-playoff teams. The beauty of the plan is that it still weights the odds of getting the first pick heavily towards the league’s worst teams, because they’ll be eliminated first. In a typical season, the league’s worst teams will get about ten games or so to rack up their wins, while teams that come close to the playoffs will only get a couple (and sometimes none at all). We’re still offering a hand up to the teams that need it most. It’s just that now, they have to earn that prize on the field. And their fans would be able to feel good about wins again. the non-playoff team that wins the most games total after being mathematically eliminated from postseason contention gets the first overall pick. Second most wins gets pick two, and so on. Suddenly, teams not only have no reason to try to be the team that loses 110 games, but teams have a strong incentive to try to stay good down the stretch. Call up some top prospects, perhaps? Not lay down in September?..... The Success Ratio: The idea is we should award money based on two factors. First, total wins in the past season. Second, the increase in wins over the prior two seasons. The reason is improving your team from one year to another should be awarded just as much as your total team wins in a given season. Here is the actual verbiage for the proposed rule changes: AMATEUR DRAFT IV (B) The order of the selection in the amateur draft will be determined under the Gold Plan. Under the Gold Plan, each non- playoff team will be given 1 point for every win after they have been eliminated from the playoffs. Non-playoff teams will draft amateurs in the order of most Gold Points to the least points. Playoff teams will continue to draft in order of worst regular winning percentage to best winning percentage. Ties will be determined as stated under the current rule. Financial Incentives IV All teams will be ranked from first to last under the Success Ratio. The Success Ratio is the change in wins over the last two years. The team with the most increase in wins receives 2 million, the second ranked team receives 1 million and the third team receives 500k. I hope this proposal meets with your approval and look forward to your thoughts and suggestions. Jim Doyle SF Giants |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 13:16:03 GMT -6
I don't think you could do that based on the league structure as it is. What if I have a guy like Mike Trout get hurt in August and he misses the rest of the season. The way the league goes now he also misses the rest of "our" season, as well. If the league was like most other league where him missing time now means his games for the following season would be the consequences, sure, but he missed time in MLB, he misses time here. That doesn't mean I'm tanking. Now add 3 or 4 more injuries on top of that, again, I'm screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 13:54:25 GMT -6
You are screwed anytime a star is injured, its part of the game. it is a risk we all have no control over except just knowing the older a player gets the higher the risk of injury. Injuries should not be a reason to oppose these ideas because injuries have negative effects under any rule.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 14:07:55 GMT -6
Agreed but in this league any injury in real life = automatic injury in B1G. In 99% of other leagues you'd lose any injured players usage the following year and and gives me the ability to make moves knowing this in the offseason. We've had one measly season under our belts so why we changing things already? Who's tanking? We making that change based on one season of unproven data? That's all I'm saying. And, BTW, we've had to replace many managers since May? Like 3 or 4? And are we full right now? We had like 5 teams skip picks in the draft. I'm all for real life but when is enough, enough?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 14:12:21 GMT -6
I enjoy this league so I have zero plans on bailing. I'm just being honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 16:23:38 GMT -6
I think the question for any rule proposal does it improve the league rulebook and under that prism the answer is yes.
Playing in a league where there are more rewards for winning, improving your team and having an incentive to win throughout the year is a good thing in my book. You do not have to have determine whether tanking occurs or not, it is just an improvement in how we could run the league. In your Trout example, we can assume your team would win more games when Trout came back from his injury so your team would probably be competing for the bonus awards for improving the number of wins from year 1 to year 2, something you would not get under the current rules.
As for league participation the better the rulebook the better reason for owners to stay involved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 16:29:45 GMT -6
All I know is that NYY won't finish last this season... no way! lol
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Post by Oakland Athletics on Mar 3, 2022 18:01:13 GMT -6
I don't mind changing things but I would caution changes like this when teams have set plans in place from the inaugural draft.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2022 18:31:49 GMT -6
The proposals would not start until 2023 if approved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 9:10:48 GMT -6
I scoured the internet looking for ideas MLB could adopt to eliminate/control tanking and found two ideas I think would make our own league a better league.
THE GOLD PLAN ( AMATEUR DRAFT ) The idea goes like this: Instead of a system that encourages losing by awarding the best amateur picks to the league’s worst teams, you’d determine the draft order based on the number of wins each team earned after being eliminated from the playoffs. Once you’re mathematically out of the playoff hunt, you start the clock on banking wins towards your spot in the draft order. The team with the most post-elimination wins get the top pick, and so on down through the rest of the non-playoff teams. The beauty of the plan is that it still weights the odds of getting the first pick heavily towards the league’s worst teams, because they’ll be eliminated first. In a typical season, the league’s worst teams will get about ten games or so to rack up their wins, while teams that come close to the playoffs will only get a couple (and sometimes none at all). We’re still offering a hand up to the teams that need it most. It’s just that now, they have to earn that prize on the field. And their fans would be able to feel good about wins again. the non-playoff team that wins the most games total after being mathematically eliminated from postseason contention gets the first overall pick. Second most wins gets pick two, and so on. Suddenly, teams not only have no reason to try to be the team that loses 110 games, but teams have a strong incentive to try to stay good down the stretch. Call up some top prospects, perhaps? Not lay down in September?..... The Success Ratio: The idea is we should award money based on two factors. First, total wins in the past season. Second, the increase in wins over the prior two seasons. The reason is improving your team from one year to another should be awarded just as much as your total team wins in a given season. Here is the actual verbiage for the proposed rule changes: AMATEUR DRAFT IV (B) The order of the selection in the amateur draft will be determined under the Gold Plan. Under the Gold Plan, each non- playoff team will be given 1 point for every win after they have been eliminated from the playoffs. Non-playoff teams will draft amateurs in the order of most Gold Points to the least points. Playoff teams will continue to draft in order of worst regular winning percentage to best winning percentage. Ties will be determined as stated under the current rule. Financial Incentives IV All teams will be ranked from first to last under the Success Ratio. The Success Ratio is the change in wins over the last two years. The team with the most increase in wins receives 2 million, the second ranked team receives 1 million and the third team receives 500k. I hope this proposal meets with your approval and look forward to your thoughts and suggestions. Jim Doyle SF Giants Bumping this up for a vote. If approved, it would take effect in 2023.... |
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Post by New York Mets on Mar 26, 2022 13:21:15 GMT -6
What are people's thoughts on this proposal? Are there any other suggestions to consider before voting?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 14:59:57 GMT -6
To clarify,, the Gold Plan and Success Ratio for financial incentives are two separate ideas so they should be voted on separately.
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Post by Chicago White Sox on Mar 26, 2022 16:33:20 GMT -6
No questions on the specifics of Giants' proposals, but I am wondering if there ought to be a process for vetting proposals for a vote (like a petition where you need support from a few owners, or something like that) lest we be obligated to vote on everything suggested by a single owner.
This is nothing against the Giants or the proposals, btw, just a thought on overall league process.
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Post by New York Mets on Mar 27, 2022 11:28:29 GMT -6
To clarify,, the Gold Plan and Success Ratio for financial incentives are two separate ideas so they should be voted on separately. With two different proposals, it might make sense to first have a vote with the following options: 1) remaining with the current structure; 2) determining a new structure. If there is support for a change, then the second vote would be considering between the two ideas. If you have two separate polls with the ideas against remaining as-is, then you could potentially need a third poll anyway. No questions on the specifics of Giants' proposals, but I am wondering if there ought to be a process for vetting proposals for a vote (like a petition where you need support from a few owners, or something like that) lest we be obligated to vote on everything suggested by a single owner. This is nothing against the Giants or the proposals, btw, just a thought on overall league process. Any suggestions? Are you thinking like a minimum number of people in support of a vote? One potential option might be similar to a real-life board meeting where someone has to make a proposal, a different person "makes a motion" to put it up for vote, and then that has to be seconded by another different person. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 14:38:09 GMT -6
"With two different proposals, it might make sense to first have a vote with the following options: 1) remaining with the current structure; 2) determining a new structure. If there is support for a change, then the second vote would be considering between the two ideas. If you have two separate polls with the ideas against remaining as-is, then you could potentially need a third poll anyway."
I do not think that makes sense given we have never used that process on any other rule changes.
Just put each proposal up for a vote the same way we do with every other proposal and let the voters decide.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 14:42:23 GMT -6
"Any suggestions? Are you thinking like a minimum number of people in support of a vote? One potential option might be similar to a real-life board meeting where someone has to make a proposal, a different person "makes a motion" to put it up for vote, and then that has to be seconded by another different person." I would request we use this process . An owner proposes then we wait for 2 weeks for 2 other owners to support the proposal then either the proposal dies without vote or proceeds to vote.
Also, it would be great if we could make suggestions on any other rule changes in a set period of time like after the World Series and before the next league event.
If something comes up in the meantime, we could just let the commissioner make a temporary rule until we could vote for it in the offseason.
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 9, 2022 10:40:28 GMT -6
"With two different proposals, it might make sense to first have a vote with the following options: 1) remaining with the current structure; 2) determining a new structure. If there is support for a change, then the second vote would be considering between the two ideas. If you have two separate polls with the ideas against remaining as-is, then you could potentially need a third poll anyway." I do not think that makes sense given we have never used that process on any other rule changes. Just put each proposal up for a vote the same way we do with every other proposal and let the voters decide. Sorry, I was totally misreading the proposals and thinking they were competing--not separate. |
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Post by New York Mets on Apr 9, 2022 10:54:51 GMT -6
I was a little confused by how the post was structured so I wanted to re-organize the wording to make sure I understand what is what... AMATEUR DRAFT IVThe order of the selection in the amateur draft will be determined under the Gold Plan. Under the Gold Plan, each non- playoff team will be given 1 point for every win after they have been eliminated from the playoffs. Non-playoff teams will draft amateurs in the order of most Gold Points to the least points. Playoff teams will continue to draft in order of worst regular winning percentage to best winning percentage. Ties will be determined as stated under the current rule. THE GOLD PLAN (AMATEUR DRAFT)The idea goes like this: Instead of a system that encourages losing by awarding the best amateur picks to the league’s worst teams, you’d determine the draft order based on the number of wins each team earned after being eliminated from the playoffs. Once you’re mathematically out of the playoff hunt, you start the clock on banking wins towards your spot in the draft order. The team with the most post-elimination wins get the top pick, and so on down through the rest of the non-playoff teams. The beauty of the plan is that it still weights the odds of getting the first pick heavily towards the league’s worst teams, because they’ll be eliminated first. In a typical season, the league’s worst teams will get about ten games or so to rack up their wins, while teams that come close to the playoffs will only get a couple (and sometimes none at all). We’re still offering a hand up to the teams that need it most. It’s just that now, they have to earn that prize on the field. And their fans would be able to feel good about wins again. The non-playoff team that wins the most games total after being mathematically eliminated from postseason contention gets the first overall pick. Second most wins gets pick two, and so on. Suddenly, teams not only have no reason to try to be the team that loses 110 games, but teams have a strong incentive to try to stay good down the stretch. Call up some top prospects, perhaps? Not lay down in September?..... FINANCIAL INCENTIVES IV All teams will be ranked from first to last under the Success Ratio. The Success Ratio is the change in wins over the last two years. The team with the most increase in wins receives 2 million, the second ranked team receives 1 million and the third team receives 500k. THE SUCCESS RATIO:The idea is we should award money based on two factors. First, total wins in the past season. Second, the increase in wins over the prior two seasons. The reason is improving your team from one year to another should be awarded just as much as your total team wins in a given season. If that's correct and no one else has any other suggestions, then I can post separate polls to decide between accepting each proposal or not making any changes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 15:50:05 GMT -6
sounds good.
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